![]() I've had the tune since they (Lloyds) originally starting installing them per my scheduled appointment with Lloyds at the Fort Worth Indian dealership back a few years ago. Overall I've been very happy with the results of the Lloyds tune to my 2020 Challenger Limited. Yes, it was true a new piston design helped eliminate it on later models, but when the bikes were adjusted properly in the timing area 95% of the clacking disappeared. The earlier 111 bikes suffered the infamous clacking because of this. To meet EPA requirements advanced timing in the closed loop area helps with this but can cause knocking. So, your 2022 most likely has the current calibration. A couple of systems retain factory performance. Most exhaust and slip-ons hurt performance. (Erratic, idle, engine quitting after stopping, misfires, etc.) Most likely they were able to enrichen the idle AFR and still remain within EPA limits.Įxhaust doesn't improve factory performance on the Indian motorcycles, it only makes it louder. Earlier this year, Indian put out a new stock calibration that fixed a lot of issues people were having. Most of those issues were resolved, and dealers are to check for that if needed at PDI. In the very beginning of the Challenger (2020 models), there were throttle body Sync issues. Many though a new tune would fix this, but it didn't and can't. This is not he electronic syncing of the throttles that people speak about. many dealerships do not check this at PDI and are severely incompetent. In the first year and a half, many bikes left the factory with these out of sync. These need to be balanced properly for proper engine operation. Each Cylinder has its own throttle body and intake. Unlike the 111-116 series and Scout engines. One of the biggest culprits was the proper sync of the throttle bodies. Many Challenger owners had issues with rough idle, engine quitting at stops, misfires, you name it. ![]() ![]() So, for me, the only reason to get an aftermarket tune is to remove the 114-speed limiter, which I really don't need to do. I had a Chieftain with a PV3 and aftermarket tunes and for that bike it was a must. I just picked up a 2022 Challenger and have zero reasons to upgrade the tune. The latest updated stock tune from Indian is great. Many after some of the Lloyd's hiccups went with the new stock tune and are 100% happy. The reason people were jumping to these tunes, is because the Challenger stock tune was crappy. The RVS tune beasts it pretty well on these numbers. ![]() The Lloyds tune is a very small improvement in power and torque. I spoke with Ryan from Lloydz and the dealer that would be doing it and they both said many of the bugs have been worked out and very few have problems, and that the tech would be giving the bike a quick test ride after the tune was put in to insure there is no problems (I would also go for a quick ride before leaving to get a feel) so it would be nice to hear from some folks that have done the remote tuning or have a newly updated flash and what they think of it/ if it was worth it and not causing any problems. I'm trying to get a better understanding if anyone has had good luck as I have a remote tuning center near me that I would be using. I know there was some chatter on here about a year ago with there being some problems and people needing to get them re flashed and even still some people had issues or didn't fix the detonation problems they were having and removed it all together. I'm looking for anyone that has had there ECU flashed from Lloydz in the recent months to let me know what they think.
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